Isham
Gwin
II
Note: For the purpose of simplicity, until we know differently for sure, we'll use the "Isham" spelling. and Mary Likens and Elizabeth "Betsy" Snowden |
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| Isom
Gwin, II------------------------------Mary Likens-----------------------------------20 Oct 1819
Gwin Nancy-------------------------------Squire Huston---------------------------------27 Oct 1822 Gwin Isom, II------------------------------Snowden Betsy-------------------------------1 Mar 1824 Grew ?, Minira-(Gwin, Minerva)-------Wright Elijah----------------------------------31 Jul 1827 Gregory Milton----------------------------Snowden Nancy--Betsy's sis?------------7 Aug 1836 |
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[John M. Gwin Note: Several sources have mentioned that Isham II moved from Indiana to Alabama just after William and John moved there. One in particular, the notes of Cousin Orley Bush provided by Cousin Sharon Gwin Day, state that Isham II was a short man who moved to Mobile, AL, to help build ships. In researching to discover what shipbuilding companies operated in the area during that time, I found the following to be evidence that Orley's statement could well be true:] The following paragraph is
taken from the Encyclopedia
of Alabama article entitled Steamboats in Alabama.Alabama steamboats were owned by companies and individuals throughout the nineteenth century. The earliest steamboat companies were the St. Stephens Steamboat Company, organized in 1818, the Steamboat Company of Alabama in 1820, and the Mobile Steamboat Company in 1821. By 1861, however, most boats on Alabama rivers belonged to Cox, Brainard & Company. In the antebellum period, slaves owned by the company or individual owners served as deck hands. |
GENERATION
THREE
Kentucky and Ohio Branches 7 REVEREND CHARLES SNOWDEN [David 2, Joseph 1] b. 28 Dec. 1783 in Washington Co., Pennsylvania; d. 1866 (age 83), Clinton Co., IN or Tipton Co., IN; s/o David and Nancy (Hazelrigg) Snowden; m1. ca. 1801/1803 to Hester Graham; d. 1840, Hardensburg, Jennings Co., IN; m2. 9 Nov. 1842 Judah (Judia) Ann Jividen (Gividen) (M. Bk. 3, p. 234, Jennings Co.), widow of Joseph Gividen, l b. ca. 1790, VA; d. 1859/60 (Mortality Schedules for 1860, IN.) Buried unknown. Charles was in his parents' household in the 1800 U.S. census of Clark Co., KY. He headed his own household in 1810 and 20 in Estill Co., KY. When he migrated to Indiana is not certain. While an extant eulogy of his son, Joshua William, 2, states that Joshua was born in Indiana 20 Apr 1820, the family is not numerated there that early. The earliest Indiana records for Rev. Charles which I have found are on 11 Apr. 1822, when he officiates at an Orange Co. marriage, and in July at the marriage of Margaret Newkirk to James McDonald. 3 On 5 Aug. 1824 he officiated at the marriage of his daughter, Betsy Snowden, to "Ison Gwinn" (Isom Gwin). He signed their certificate as Minister of the Gospel. The family was in Decatur Co. in 1830, and by 1834 he was preaching in Jennings Co., IN. He was ordained in the Coffee Creek Baptist Church Jan. 1838, where "He preached regularly at school houses and private dwellings for some years." (Records of Coffee Creek Baptist Assn.) From 1845 to 1850 he served as a church messenger, an alternate preacher, and as ordained minister in Geneva Twp., Jennings Co., IN becoming by 1852 the regular minister of the Queensville Baptist Church of that county. While public records list him as a Baptist elder and preacher, he considered himself a farmer, as noted on census records. This may be accounted for by the statement in William T. Scott's Indiana Baptist History 1798-1908, p. 151: "There was a strong prejudice against salaries to ministers and (they)...had to labor with their hands to support their families." In 1860 U.S.census for Tipton Co., Charles is enumerated in the household of his son James and wife Mary Ann (Hopkins) Snowden. Since son James' property straddled the two counties of Clinton and Tipton, Charles may have died in either. Records of Joshua William Snowden indicate that his father and mother had 11 children; nine have been identified; birth order is uncertain. Issue: 23.01--David H(azelrigg) Snowden, b. ca. 1804/5, Ky.; m1. 27 Nov. 1823 Polly Vannest (m. Bk. 1, Orange Co.); m2. 5 Jul. 1831 to Eliza Stokely (m. Bk. 1830-7, #38, Jenns. Co.) 23.02--Elizabeth
(Betsy) Snowden, b. ca. 1806, KY; m. 5 Aug.
1824 Ison Gwinn (m. Recd. #60, Decatur Co.)
He was a Baptist mins. They
were living in Schuyler Co., IL, w/3 ch. in 1830
U.S. census. Another
child, Charles, b. ca. 1836, IL, was living in
household of Rev. Charles in the 1850 U. S. census.
[John M. Gwin Note: I have found the "Isam Gwin" (to which this person refers) in the 1830 fed. cens. of Schuyler Co., IL, with a son under five, a daughter under five, and a son 5-9; his wife is age 20-29, and he is age 30-39. In addition, in the 1840 Monroe Co., IL, an Isam Guin is listed as age 30-39 with wife age 20-29 and 3 daughters: two under 5 and one 5-9. Whether either of these listings is our Isom Gwin, Jr., is not proven, however, in my opinion.] 23.03--Nancy Snowden, b. ca. 1808, KY; m. 15 Mar. 1825 to John Newkirk (m. Bk. 1, p. 84, Orange Co.) 23.04--Sarah (Sallie) Snowden, b. ca. 1810, KY; m. 23 Nov. 1830 to George Fear (m. Bk. 60, Decatur Co.); Listed in 1840 U.S. census, Jeans. Co., with 3 children. May have moved about this time, for on 1 Jun. 1840, recds. of Coffee Creek Baptist Church state: "Whereas Geo. Fear and Sally Fear have connected with another denomination, they are considered no longer members with us." 23.05--James (B.) Snowden, b. ca. 1811/12, KY; m1. 9 Nov. 1830 to Elizabeth Fear; m2. 5 Nov. 1834 to Mary Ann Hopkins 23.06--Rachel Snowden, b. ca. 1814, KY; d. ca. 1849; m. 12 Apr. 1835 to Thomas Newkirk 23.07--Margaret Snowden, b. ca. 1816, KY; m. 14 Jul. 1836 to James Brown (m. Bk. 2, Orange Co.) 23.08--Joseph Snowden, b. ca. 1817/18, KY; m1. 28 May 1835 to Sarah Overby; m2. 24 Nov. 1852 to Ginetta Permilla (Nancy) Dean 23.09--Joshua William Snowden, b. 20 Apr. 1820; d. 17 Jul. 1895; m. 1 Oct. 1846 to Mary Robins Our list of possible
locations for Isham Gwin II
and family,
then, will begin with those two: 1.
Schuyler
Co., IL -- in 1830,
2. Monroe Co., IL -- in 1840, 3. St. Genevieve Co., MO -- in 1850, |
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From
Genforum.com
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?gwin,gwinn,guin,guinn::likens::206.html
Looking for Birth
information on Mary Likens,
born unk., died 1852 Orange Washington Co, married
10/20/1819 Crawford Co, IN to
Isom Gwin
Jr., born 1797 Lincoln
Co, TN, died 1887 Orange, Washington Co, IN.
Thanks, Jack M. Withers |
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From: JAMESTWALL@aol.com Date: Sat Dec 10, 2005 To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com Subject: ISAM GIVIN/ISAM GWIN IN ILLINOIS, 1830 HERE IS ISAM GIVIN IN ILLINOIS IN THE 1830 FEDERAL CENSUS. IT SHOWS 3 MALES: one UNDER 5; one 5-10; AND one 30-40. THERE ARE 2 FEMALES: one UNDER 5; AND one 20-30. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE OLDER MALE
CHILD IS THE SON OF MARY LIKENS AND THE
TWO YOUNGER CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN OF BETSY
SNOWDEN? 1830 United
States Federal Census Record about Isam Givin:
From:
JAMESTWALL@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:00:43 PM US/Mountain To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com Cc: JAMESTWALL@aol.com, Dogyar3@aol.com, kgwin@indy.net Subject: ISOM GUIN/GWIN IN 1840 FEDERAL CENSUS, MONROE CO., ILLINOIS ISOM
GUIN, 1 MALE 30, UNDER 40 (FARMER);
FEMALES: 2 UNDER 5; 1 5 & UNDER 10;
& 1 20 & UNDER 30.
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No time to pursue this
right now,
but I really DO want to come back to it!
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| Pages
of Original Book |
John
M. Gwin's Transcription of the Text |
John
M. Gwin Comments |
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The Church met the third
Saturday in November
1828 and
opens meeting by singing and preare 1 the refrence about Bro Abner McDonald nonattendence at meting taken up he being present gives satisfaction 2 took up the refrence respecting Deacons and made chois of Brother Richard Holtsclaw Brother Walker 46
and Brother Overland being tide laid it over tel next
meting3 Choses Brother Aaron Vandever moderator 4 dismises Brother Isaac Person and wife by letter 5 dismises Sister Elizabeth Gwin by letter |
Brother Walker -- Thomas Walker is chosen as deacon--I believe Thomas to be the son-in-law of Isham Gwin, Isham being the first pastor at this Providence Prim. Bapt. Ch. Who is this Elizabeth Gwin? Please email me if you have an idea: jmcdgwin@zianet.com Thanks! Here's what's now known to be an erroneous idea: Could her full name be Mary Elizabeth Gwin? If so, it would make perfect sense that this is Isom's wife, and that this is the time that they move their membership to Unity Church. But NO, this can't be the case, since in August 2016 we learned from the Unity Church records (now located in the John Hay Center in Salem, Washington Co., IN) that Isom's and Mary's memberships had been at Unity since January 1825, almost four years before this incident! And besides, we now know that Isham's wife's maiden name was Mary Ann Canterbury, not Mary Elizabeth Canterbury. And now another, much better idea: Could this be Elizabeth "Betsy" Snowden Gwin, wife (or widow, since he does not seem to be in the picture?) of Isom Gwin II, Isom's and Mary's son and the subject of this page? In my opinon, this is the strongest theory to date. |
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The Church met the third
Saturday in January 1829 and
opens meeting by singing and preare Bro
Gwin moderator 1 The charge preferd aginst the two sisters Elizabeth Gwin and Jane Person cald for and submitted to committy and by the examation of the committy Brother Agin faild to support his charge and confesst that he had ronged Sister Jane Person 2 and the charge against sister Elizabeth Gwin he also 47
faild to establish and the judgement of the committy was
that he also ronged hur3 and the church recieved the reporte of the committy and acquited the sisters of the charge 4 the church opens hur dores for the rection of members and recieves Samuel Wellman Susanna his wife and Sary Wellman his daughter by letter 4 [5] [ansuenabel?] to the request of Providence Church for help ordain her deacons, Brother Isom Gwin atended from Unity from Rock Spring Brother Aaron Vandever and the candidates being examined on ther faith and the work of a deacon was set apart to that office by praere and imposition of hands of the presbetery. |
"Bro Gwin moderator" I speculate that the reason why Isom Gwin's name is crossed out is that he was selected to be moderator at the beginning of the meeting, and then when the meeting began and Elizabeth Gwin's case was brought up, he recused himself from serving as moderator. Isom and Mary Gwin were fellowshipping at Unity Church now. We learned in August 2016 that the church records at UNITY CHURCH show that Isom and Mary were received there by letter in January 1825, so they had been gone from Providence and worshipping at Unity for some FOUR YEARS at the time of this January 1829 meeting. Evidently he was called back to moderate this meeting for some reason, that reason being very (if not most) likely because he is the nearest relative to defend his daughter-in-law, Elizabeth Gwin. |
Some leads that didn't pan out...
Concord Cemetery, Tippecanoe County, Indiana [John M. Gwin Note: In Feb 2006, Jim Wall sent me the following data on the Guinns buried at the Concord Cemetery in Tippecanoe Co., IN. We now know, thanks to research results posted on Rootsweb as "Guinns of Augusta co Virginia & Tippecanoe Co., Indiana", and found by us in Nov 2011, that these are NOT descendents of 22.00--Isham Gwin and Mary Ann Canterbury. Moses COULD be a brother of our Isham, however, or perhaps a nephew or cousin.] http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/in/tippecan/cemetery/concord.txt
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| a.--Guinn | Hannah w/o Moses | 11 Oct 1811 | 15 Oct 1841 | |
| b.--Guinn | I. G. | 1829 | unk. | I. G. Guinn! This must be another Isham. Sure enough, gravestone entry "h" below shows that Martha is the wife of an Isam G. Guinn. This then could be their son, I. G. Guinn, Jr. |
| c.--Guinn | infant | unk. | unk. | |
| d.--Guinn | Infant child of Moses and S. | 14 Apr 1843 | unk. | |
| e.--Guinn | Infant James D. Guinn | unk. | unk. | |
| f.--Guinn | Jane Rash formerly widow of Wm. H. | 68y 10m 7d [14 Feb 1817] | 21 Dec 1885 | |
| g.--Guinn | Martha J. d/o Moses and S. | 6y 5m 2d [21 Sep 1846] | 23 Jan 1853 | |
| h.--Guinn | Martha w/o Isam G. | 66y 7m 25d [21 Feb 1781] | 18 Oct 1855 | If my calculations and the
tombstone's numbers are correct, this "Martha wife
of Isam G." would've been born in 1781, as shown
here. If, then, she is the wife of Isham's and Mary
Ann's son Isham II, whose date of birth is
listed as 1796, then she would've been 16 years older
than he! And that seems highly unlikely to me.
But what if, due to some transcription error, Isham II's DOB were really 1786, not '96, and he were Isham's and Mary's firstborn instead of Elizabeth. Then Martha would've been only 5 years older than he, not nearly so uncommon an occurrence. On the other hand, if this were true, then how do we account for this Isham II being completely out of the picture during the family's years in Tennessee? He'd have been in his mid-30's and she almost 40 when the family made its exodus from Tennessee to Indiana just before 1820. Surely they would've shown up there in SOME document or other, yet we have no trace of them. |
| i.--Guinn | Mary A. | 1838 | 1901 | |
| j.--Guinn | Moses Mc? s/o Isam G. & Martha | 5y 9m 11d [11 Sep 1853] | 22 Jun 1859 | |
| k.--Guinn | Phebe d/o ? | unk. | 6 Nov 1857 | |
| l.--Guinn | Rahelle [Rachelle?] d/o L.G. & M.A. | unk. | 28 May 1863 | |
| m.--Guinn | Ruby Ethel d/o A.E. & K.A. | 11y 1m 17d [27 Dec 1883] | 13 Jan 1895 | |
| n.--Guinn | William H. | 46y 2m 11d [20 Jun 1818] | 1 Sep 1864 | |
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The following outline (in this pink box) is partly speculation; however, it IS based on the above grave stones' stories: 21.00--Isam
G.
Guinn, b. unk.; d. 1853 or after; m. Martha
(nee unk.; b. 21 Feb 1781; d. 18 Oct 1855; see
tombstone "h" in chart above)
22.00--Moses
Guinn, b. unk. (est. ca. 1810); d. unk.; m1.
Hannah (nee unk., b. 11 Oct 1811; d. 15
Oct 1841; see tombstone "a" in chart above); m2. S.
(nee unk.)
Moses Guin m2. ca. 1841-1842 to S.
(nee unk.):
23.00--Infant
child
of Moses and S., b. 14 Apr 1843; see tombstone
"d" in chart above;
23.00--Martha J. d/o Moses and S., b. 6y 5m 2d [21 Sep 1846]; d. 23 Jan 1853; see tombstone "g" in chart above; 22.00--William
H.
Guinn, b. 46y 2m 11d [20 Jun 1818]; d.
01 Sep 1864; see tombstone "n" in chart above;
22.00--Moses Mc? Guinn, s/o Isam G. & Martha, b. 11 Sep 1853; d. 22 Jun 1859 [age 5]; see tombstone "j" in chart above; |
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Some
Interesting
Census Information
| Name: | Isam Gwinn |
John M. Gwin Comments |
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| Home in 1820 (City, County, State): | Harrison, Indiana | These seven white people are, without a doubt, our Isham and Mary Ann (Canterbury) Gwin and the youngest five children of their family. |
| Enumeration Date: | 7 Aug 1820 | |
| Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: | 1 | This
is
the
youngest
son,
Richard W. Gwin,
b. ca. 1804, about 16 years old and single in this
census. |
| Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: | 1 | This
is
still
just
Richard.
No other sons are living at home. If this were
another person, the total below would then be eight,
not seven. |
| Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: | 1 | This
is
Isham
himself. |
| Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: | 1 | OK,
this
must
be
Mahala
who will marry John B. Houston. However, here
she is indicated to be ten or younger when other data
suggests she's about 12. |
| Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: | 3 | These are clearly the three girls just older than Mahala: Minerva, ca. 13, who'll marry Elijah Wright; Sarah, ca. 14, who'll marry Willliam M. Houston; and Nancy, ca. 15, who'll marry Squire Houston. |
| Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : | 1 | This
is
Mrs.
Mary Ann
(nee Canterbury) Gwin. |
| Slaves - Males - Under 14: | 7 | Seven
former-slave children! |
| Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: | 2 | |
| Free White Persons - Under 16: | 5 |
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| Free White Persons - Over 25: | 2 | |
| Total Free White Persons: | 7 | |
| Total Slaves: | 7! | The biographical sketch of William W. Gwin, son of Richard and Nancy Gwin, states that Isom sold his slaves before leaving Tennessee for Indiana. But we notice that all these are children under fourteen. Are they then orphans? Or were they separated from their parents when they were purchased? Is Isham raising them to adulthood as his own, to give them a better start in a free state? I wish I knew each of their names! |
| Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: | 14 | Conclusion
regarding
Isom II and
Betsy Snowden Gwin: they--like Elizabeth
(David Denton), Polly (Tom Walker), John
(Jane Walker), William (Susanna Beard), Virginia
Jane (Joe Tipton), and perhaps Chesley
(unk.) --have already married and are living elsewhere
in 1820. Yet I can't find them anywhere. |
| Name: | Iram Gwin [Isam Givin] |
John M. Gwin Comments |
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| Home in 1830
(City, County, State): |
Misc. Twps., Schuyler, IL | Somehow
I
believe
this
must
be our Isham Gwin II.
He's right next door (well, next county over from Brown)
from two of his little sisters and brothers-in-law, the
Houstons. Why we couldn't find Isham II in 1820, I don't
know. Perhaps it was because he and Mary were
travelling. |
| Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: | 1 | If
this
is our family, they have one son under 5,
so Betsy has to be his mother, since they've been
married about six years. |
| Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: | 1 | If
this
is our family, they have one more son
between 5 and 9, so Betsy COULD be his mother, but it is
possible he could be the son of Mary Likens Gwin.
This would mean Betsy was his stepmom. |
| Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: | 1 | If
this IS our
family, then this will be Isham II. |
| Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: | 1 | If
this
is our family, they have one daughter
under 5, so Betsy has to be her mother, since they've
been married about six years. |
| Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: | 1 | If
this
is our family, this will be Betsy Snowden Gwin, who
married him in 1824 after (it is assumed) Mary Likens
Gwin died. |
| Free White Persons - Under 20: | 3 | |
| Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: | 2 | |
| Total Free White Persons: | 5 | If
this
is our family, Isham and Betsy have three children in
1830 and are living just northeast of the Houstons. |
| Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): | 5 |
Name: Isum Guin
[Isam Gwin]
[Mary Guin]
[Guin]
John M. Gwin
Comments
Home in
1900:Center,
Martin, INMartin Co. is west of and abutting Orange Co., making this Isam III's location very close to our Isham I's (who, I once thought, could be this Isam III's grandfather). HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW.
Age: 73
DOB: Oct 1826 We know that Virginia Jane Gwin was just older than Isham II (the subject of this page) and was b. in TN in 1795. We know that Richard W. Gwin was b. in TN in 1807 and was just younger than Isham II. If Isham II were the father of this Isam (III?), then this 1826 DOB would have been just about perfect. HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW. POB: Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relat
2HoH:Head
FPOB:
MPOB:
VA
TN
OOPS. These are the only pieces of data (i.e., the places of birth of his parents) in this chart that do not coincide with Isham II being the father of this Isam. IN FACT, they agree instead with the theory that this Isam is the same as the Isham G. Guinn listed above, whose parents, Moses and Hannah, were indeed born in Virginia and Tennessee, respectively, and are buried in Concord Cem., Tippecanoe Co., IN.
Mar. Stat.: Wd.
Res.: Center Twp. (All S. of White R.), Martin, IN
Household
Members:
Name Age Isum Guin 73 Edward Guin 33 Lucy E Guin 20 Della M Guin 18 David Guin 14 When I first stumbled onto this 1900 census for an Isam Gwin and four of his kids, I knew this could not be Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin's son, Isham II, since he was born in TN, not IN, some 25 years before this Isam. However, it seemed VERY possible that this was Isham II's son, whom I here (erroneously) called Isham III. SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY ABOVE.