Isham Gwin II
Note: For the purpose of simplicity, until we know differently for sure, we'll use the "Isham" spelling.
and
Mary Likens
and
Elizabeth "Betsy" Snowden


Updated 26 Jan 2013

Updated 26 Nov 2012
Page started 23 Nov 2011



Sources:



Trying to Locate Isham II:  The Shadowy One

Cousin Jim Wall's term for this child of Isham and Mary is "shadowy". I like that. We just don't know much about him yet. We're quite sure now, however, that he's that son of Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin who m1. on 20 Oct 1819 in Orange Co., IN, to Mary Likens and m2. on 1 Mar 1824 in Orange Co. to Betsy Snowden

We base this on having found their marriage license and the 7 Aug 1819 Minutes of the Providence Church of Greenfield Township, Orange Co., IN, where Isham I was called to preach, stating that a Snowden family were part of that congregation. Cousin Jim Wall found his first marriage: "I must note that there is a marriage between Isom Gwin and Mary Likens recorded 20 Oct 1819 in Crawford County, Indiana-- is this Isom Gwin, Senior or Junior?" We now believe that this is indeed the same Isom in each case, first the husband and widower of Mary Likens, then the husband of Betsy Snowden.]

Beyond that, we're not sure which way he and Betsy went, the little evidence we currently have pointing in two different directions: west to Illinois and south to Alabama.
--John M. Gwin, 26 Mar 2012    

Here are the 11 known children (and 1 unknown)
of Isham I and Mary Canterbury


22.00--Isham Gwin I, b. ca. 1770 in VA; d. Dec 1830 in Orange Co., IN; bd. Orange Co., IN; m. near Blacksburg, VA, to Mary Canterbury (b. ca. 1770 (age 80 in 1850 census) in VA; d. after 1850 in Orange Co., IN; bd. in Orange Co.); at least 11 children:

23.01--Polly Gwin m. Thomas Walker, Jr.
23.02--Elizabeth Gwin m. David Denton
23.03--William Gwin m. Susanah Beard
23.04--John Gwin m. Jane Walker
23.05--Virginia Jane Gwin m1. Joseph Tipton m2. Benjamin Weathers
23.06--Isham Gwin II m1. Mary Likens m2. Betsy Snowden
23.07--CHESLEY? Gwin
23.08--Richard W. Gwin m.  Nancy Elizabeth Watkins
23.09--Nancy Gwin m. Squire Houston
23.10--Sarah Gwin m. William M. Houston
23.11--Minerva Gwin m. Elijah Wright
23.12--Mahala Gwin m. John B. Houston


And now here is an outline of the (mostly un)known family of Isham II, Mary Likens, and Betsy Snowden:
23.06--Isham Gwin II, b. 1797 in e. TN, likely in Sevier Co. on his father's 249-acre plantation in Crowson's Cove (now the Wear Valley); d. unk.; bd. unk.; m1. 20 Oct 1819 in Crawford Co., IN, to Mary Likens (b. est. 1800; d. assumed bef. 1 Mar 1824; bd. unk.); unk. ch.; m2. 1 Mar 1824--likely in Orange Co., IN--to Betsy Snowden (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.





Some Pertinent and Possibly Pertinent Evidence:

ITEM A.

Name: Isom Gwin
Spouse: Mary Likens
DOM: 20 Oct 1819
POM: Crawford Co., IN
Book: Fam. Hist. Lib., Salt Lake City, UT
OS Page: 1377775


Name: Isom Gwin
Spouse: Betsy Snowden
DOM: 1 Mar 1824
POM: Orange
Book: Fam. Hist. Lib., Salt Lake City, UT
OS Page: 1316696

Isom Gwin---------------------------------Mary Likens-----------------------------------20 Oct 1819
Gwin Nancy-------------------------------Squire Huston---------------------------------27 Oct 1822
Gwin Isom---------------------------------Snowden Betsy-------------------------------1 Mar 1824
Grew ?, Minira-(Gwin, Minerva)-------Wright Elijah----------------------------------31 Jul 1827
Gregory Milton----------------------------Snowden Nancy------------------------------7 Aug 1836


ITEM B.

[John M. Gwin Note:  Several sources have mentioned that Isham II moved from Indiana to Alabama just after William and John moved there.  One in particular, the notes of Cousin Orley Bush provided by Cousin Sharon Gwin Day, state that Isham II was a short man who moved to Mobile, AL, to help build ships.  In researching to discover what shipbuilding companies operated in the area during that time, I found the following to be evidence that Orley's statement could well be true:]

The following paragraph is taken from the Encyclopedia of Alabama article entitled

Steamboats in Alabama.

Alabama steamboats were owned by companies and individuals throughout the nineteenth century. The earliest steamboat companies were the St. Stephens Steamboat Company, organized in 1818, the Steamboat Company of Alabama in 1820, and the Mobile Steamboat Company in 1821. By 1861, however, most boats on Alabama rivers belonged to Cox, Brainard & Company. In the antebellum period, slaves owned by the company or individual owners served as deck hands.




ITEM C.

From the good message board posting at:
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.snowden/366.2/mb.ashx

GENERATION THREE

Kentucky and Ohio Branches

7 REVEREND CHARLES SNOWDEN [David 2, Joseph 1]
b. 28 Dec. 1783, Wash. Co., Pa.; d. 1866 (age 83), Clinton or Tipton Co., Ind.; s/o David and Nancy (Hazelrigg) Snowden; 1/m. c 1801/3 Hester Graham; d. 1840, Hardensburg, Jennings Co., Ind.; 2/m. 9 Nov. 1842 Judah (Judia) Ann Jividen (Gividen) (M. Bk. 3,p. 234, Jenns. Co.), widow of Joseph Gividen,l b. c 1790, Va.; d. 1859/60 (Mortality Schedules for 1860, Ind.) Bur. unknown.

Charles was in his parents' household in the 1800 U.S.C. of Clark Co., Ky. He headed his own household in 1810 and 20 in Estill Co., Ky. When he migrated to Ind. is not certain. While an extant eulogy of his son, Joshua William,2 states that Joshua was born in Ind. 20 Apr. 1820, the family is not numerated there that early. The earliest Indiana records for Rev. Charles which I have found are on 11 Apr. 1822, when he offic. at an Orange Co. marriage, and in Jul. at the marriage of Margaret Newkirk to James McDonald.3   On 5 Aug. 1824 he officiated at the marriage of his daughter, Betsy Snowden, to Ison Gwinn. He signed their certificate as Minister of the Gospel.

The family was in Decatur Co. in 1830, and by 1834 he was preaching in Jenns. Co. He was ordained in the Coffee Creek Baptist Church Jan. 1838, where "He preached regularly at school houses and private dwellings for some years." (Recds Coffee Creek Baptist Assn.) From 1845 to 1850 he served as a church messenger, an alternate preacher and as ordained minister in Geneva Twp., Jenns. Co., becoming by 1852 the regular minister of the Queensville Baptist Church of that county.

While public records list him as a Baptist elder and preacher, he considered himself a farmer, as noted on census recds. This may be accounted for by the statement in William T. Scott's Indiana Baptist History 1798-1908, p. 151: "There was a strong prejudice against salaries to ministers and (they) . . . had to labor with their hands to support their families."

In 1860 U.S.C. for Tipton Co. Charles is enumerated in the household of his son James and wife Mary Ann (Hopkins) Snowden. Since son James' property straddled the two counties of Clinton and Tipton, Charles may have died in either.

Recds. of Joshua William Snowden indicate that his father and mother had 11 children; nine have been identified; order uncertain.

Issue:

23.01--David H(azelrigg) Snowden, b. ca. 1804/5, Ky.; m1. 27 Nov. 1823 Polly Vannest (m. Bk. 1, Orange Co.); m2. 5 Jul. 1831 to Eliza Stokely (m. Bk. 1830-7, #38, Jenns. Co.)

23.02--Elizabeth (Betsy) Snowden, b. ca. 1806, KY; m. 5 Aug. 1824 Ison Gwinn (m. Recd. #60, Decatur Co.) He was a Baptist mins. They were living in Schuyler Co., IL, w/3 ch. in 1830 U.S. census. Another child, Charles, b. ca. 1836, IL, was living in household of Rev. Charles in the 1850 U. S. census.

[John M. Gwin Note: I have found the "Isam Gwin" (to which this person refers) in the
1830
fed. cens. of Schuyler Co., IL, with a son under five, a daughter under five, and a son 5-9; his wife is age 20-29, and he is age 30-39.  In addition, in the 1840 Monroe Co., IL, an Isam Guin is listed as age 30-39 with wife age 20-29 and 3 daughters: two under 5 and one 5-9.  Whether either of these listings is our Isom Gwin, Jr., is not proven, however, in my opinion.]


23.03--Nancy Snowden, b. ca. 1808, KY; m. 15 Mar. 1825 to John Newkirk (m. Bk. 1, p. 84, Orange Co.)

23.04--Sarah (Sallie) Snowden, b. ca. 1810, KY; m. 23 Nov. 1830 to George Fear (m. Bk. 60, Decatur Co.); Listed in 1840 U.S. census, Jeans. Co., with 3 children. May have moved about this time, for on 1 Jun. 1840, recds. of Coffee Creek Baptist Church state: "Whereas Geo. Fear and Sally Fear have connected with another denomination, they are considered no longer members with us."

23.05--James (B.) Snowden, b. ca. 1811/12, KY; m1. 9 Nov. 1830 to Elizabeth Fear; m2. 5 Nov. 1834 to Mary Ann Hopkins

23.06--Rachel Snowden, b. ca. 1814, KY; d. ca. 1849; m. 12 Apr. 1835 to Thomas Newkirk

23.07--Margaret Snowden, b. ca. 1816, KY; m. 14 Jul. 1836 to James Brown (m. Bk. 2, Orange Co.)

23.08--Joseph Snowden, b. ca. 1817/18, KY; m1. 28 May 1835 to Sarah Overby; m2. 24 Nov. 1852 to Ginetta Permilla (Nancy) Dean

23.09--Joshua William Snowden, b. 20 Apr. 1820; d. 17 Jul. 1895; m. 1 Oct. 1846 to Mary Robins



Our list of possible locations for Isham Gwin II and family,
then, will begin with those two:
1.  Schuyler Co., IL -- in 1830,
2.  Monroe Co., IL -- in 1840,
3.  St. Genevieve Co., MO -- in 1850,






ITEM D.
From Genforum.com
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?gwin,gwinn,guin,guinn::likens::206.html


Likens Mary B?/Gwin
Posted by: Jack Withers (ID *****8252) Date: September 03, 2006
  of 258

Looking for Birth information on Mary Likens, born unk., died 1852 Orange Washington Co, married 10/20/1819 Crawford Co, IN to Isom Gwin Jr., born 1797 Lincoln Co, TN, died 1887 Orange, Washington Co, IN.
Thanks,
Jack M. Withers



ITEM E.

From: JAMESTWALL@aol.com
Date: Sat Dec 10, 2005
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: ISAM GIVIN/ISAM GWIN IN ILLINOIS, 1830

HERE IS ISAM GIVIN IN ILLINOIS IN THE 1830 FEDERAL CENSUS. IT SHOWS 3 MALES: one UNDER 5; one 5-10; AND one 30-40.  THERE ARE 2 FEMALES: one UNDER 5; AND one 20-30.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE OLDER MALE CHILD IS THE SON OF MARY LIKENS AND THE TWO YOUNGER CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN OF BETSY SNOWDEN?
JIM WALL

1830 United States Federal Census Record about Isam Givin:
Name: Givin, Isam
Township: Miscellaneous Townships
County: McDonough and Schuyler
State: Illinois




From: JAMESTWALL@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005  12:00:43 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Cc: JAMESTWALL@aol.com, Dogyar3@aol.com, kgwin@indy.net

Subject: ISOM GUIN/GWIN IN 1840 FEDERAL CENSUS, MONROE CO., ILLINOIS

ISOM GUIN,  1 MALE 30, UNDER 40 (FARMER); FEMALES: 2 UNDER 5; 1 5 & UNDER 10; & 1 20 & UNDER 30.
 
1840 United States Federal Census Record about Isom Guin

 

 
[John M. Gwin Note: Jim Wall also reports another Isham Guinn in the 1840 census, this one in Wayne Co., TN (see below). Either seems viable to me: i.e., that this son might have moved to Monroe Co., IL (on the Mississippi River immediately south of St. Louis, MO), or that he might have moved to Wayne Co., TN (immediately north of the NW corner of AL).]
No time to pursue this right now,
but I really DO want to come back to it!
Name: Isum Guin
[Isam Gwin] 
[Mary Guin
[Guin

John M. Gwin
Comments
Home in
1900:
Center,
Martin, IN
Martin Co. is west of and abutting Orange Co., making this Isam's location very close to our Isham's (who, if I'm right, is this Isam's grandfather).
Age: 73
DOB: Oct 1826 We know that Virginia Jane Gwin was just older than Isham II and was b. in TN in 1795.  We know that Richard W. Gwin was b. in TN in 1807 and was just younger than Isham II.  If Isham II is the father of this Isam (III?), then this 1826 DOB would be just about perfect.
POB: Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relat
 2HoH:
Head
FPOB: VA This is the only piece of data in this chart that does not coincide with Isham II being the father of this Isam.
MPOB: TN
Mar. Stat.: Wd.
Res.: Center Twp. (All S. of White R.), Martin, IN
Household
Members:
Name Age
Isum Guin 73
Edward Guin 33
Lucy E Guin 20
Della M Guin 18
David Guin 14
[John M. Gwin Note:  I stumbled onto this 1900 census for an Isam Gwin and four of his kids.  I know this could not be Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin's son, Isham II, since he was born in TN, not IN, some 25 years before this Isam. However, it is VERY possible that this is Isham II's son, whom I'll here call Isham III.





Some leads that didn't pan out...



ITEM F.

Concord Cemetery Tippecanoe County, Indiana

[John M. Gwin Note:   In Feb 2006, Jim Wall sent me the following data on the Guinns buried at the Concord Cemetery in Tippecanoe Co., IN.  We now know, thanks to research results posted on Rootsweb as "Guinns of Augusta co Virginia & Tippecanoe co Indiana", and found by us in Nov 2011, that these are NOT descendents of 22.00--Isham Gwin and Mary Canterbury.  Moses COULD be a brother of our Isham, however, or perhaps a nephew or cousin.]

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/in/tippecan/cemetery/concord.txt
 

Surname
Given Name
Birth
Death
John M. Gwin's Comments
a.--Guinn Hannah w/o Moses 11 Oct 1811 15 Oct 1841
b.--Guinn I. G. 1829 unk. I. G. Guinn! This must be another Isham. Sure enough, gravestone entry "h" below shows that Martha is the wife of an Isam G. Guinn. This then could be their son, I. G. Guinn, Jr.
c.--Guinn infant unk. unk.
d.--Guinn Infant child of Moses and S. 14 Apr 1843 unk.
e.--Guinn Infant James D. Guinn unk. unk.
f.--Guinn Jane Rash formerly widow of Wm. H. 68y 10m 7d [14 Feb 1817] 21 Dec 1885
g.--Guinn Martha J. d/o Moses and S. 6y 5m 2d [21 Sep 1846] 23 Jan 1853
h.--Guinn Martha w/o Isam G. 66y 7m 25d [21 Feb 1781] 18 Oct 1855 If my calculations and the tombstone's numbers are correct, this "Martha wife of Isam G." would've been born in 1781, as shown here. If, then, she is the wife of Isham's and Mary's son Isham II, whose date of birth is listed as 1796, then she would've been 16 years older than he! And that seems highly unlikely to me. 

But what if, due to some transcription error, Isham II's DOB were really 1786, not '96, and he were Isham's and Mary's firstborn instead of Elizabeth. Then Martha would've been only 5 years older than he, not nearly so uncommon an occurrence. 

On the other hand, if this were true, then how do we account for this Isham II being completely out of the picture during the family's years in Tennessee? He'd have been in his mid-30's and she almost 40 when the family made its exodus from Tennessee to Indiana just before 1820. Surely they would've shown up there in SOME document or other, yet we have no trace of them.

i.--Guinn Mary A. 1838 1901
j.--Guinn Moses Mc? s/o Isam G. & Martha    5y 9m 11d [11 Sep 1853] 22 Jun 1859
k.--Guinn Phebe d/o ? unk. 6 Nov 1857
l.--Guinn Rahelle [Rachelle?] d/o L.G. & M.A.  unk. 28 May 1863
m.--Guinn Ruby Ethel d/o A.E. & K.A. 11y 1m 17d [27 Dec 1883] 13 Jan 1895
n.--Guinn William H. 46y 2m 11d [20 Jun 1818] 1 Sep 1864

The following outline is partly speculation; however, it IS based on the above grave stones' stories:

1.00--Isam G. Guinn, b. unk.; d. 1853 or after; m. Martha (nee unk.; b. 21 Feb 1781; d. 18 Oct 1855; see tombstone "h" in chart above)

2.00--Moses Guinn, b. unk. (est. ca. 1810); d. unk.; m1. Hannah (nee unk., b. 11 Oct 1811; d. 15 Oct 1841; see tombstone "a" in chart above); m2. S. (nee unk.)

Moses Guin m2. ca. 1841-1842 to S. (nee unk.):

3.00--Infant child of Moses and S., b. 14 Apr 1843; see tombstone "d" in chart above;

3.00--Martha J. d/o Moses and S., b. 6y 5m 2d [21 Sep 1846]; d. 23 Jan 1853; see tombstone "g" in chart above;

2.00--William H. Guinn, b. 46y 2m 11d [20 Jun 1818]; d. 01 Sep 1864; see tombstone "n" in chart above;

2.00--Moses Mc? Guinn, s/o Isam G. & Martha, b. 11 Sep 1853; d. 22 Jun 1859 [age 5]; see tombstone "j" in chart above;






Some Interesting Census Information



Name: Isam Gwinn
John M. Gwin Comments
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Harrison, Indiana These seven white people are, without a doubt, our Isham and Mary Gwin and the youngest five children of their family.
Enumeration Date: 7 Aug 1820

Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1 This is the youngest son, Richard W. Gwin, b. ca. 1804, about 16 years old and single in this census.
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 1 This is still just Richard.  No other sons are living at home.  If this were another person, the total below would then be eight, not seven.
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1 This is Isham himself.
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1 OK, this must be Mahala who will marry John B. Houston.  However, here she is indicated to be ten or younger when other data suggests she's about 12.
Free White Persons - Females - 10 thru 15: 3 These are clearly the three girls just older than Mahala:  Minerva, ca. 13, who'll marry Elijah Wright; Sarah, ca. 14, who'll marry Willliam M. Houston; and Nancy, ca. 15, who'll marry Squire Houston.
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1 This is Mrs. Mary (nee Canterbury) Gwin.
Slaves - Males - Under 14: 7 Seven former-slave children!
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 2
Free White Persons - Under 16: 5

Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 7
Total Slaves: 7!
The biographical sketch of William W. Gwin, son of Richard and Nancy Gwin, states that Isom sold his slaves before leaving Tennessee for Indiana.  But we notice that all these are children under fourteen.  Are they then orphans?  Or were they separated from their parents when they were purchased?  Is Isham raising them to adulthood as his own, to give them a better start in a free state?  I wish I knew each of their names!

Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 14 Conclusion regarding Isom II and Betsy Snowden Gwin:  they--like Elizabeth (David Denton), Polly (Tom Walker), John (Jane Walker), William (Susanna Beard), Virginia Jane (Joe Tipton), and perhaps Chesley (unk.) --have already married and are living elsewhere in 1920.  Yet I can find them nowhere.


Name: Iram Gwin
[Isam Givin] 
John M. Gwin Comments
Home in 1830
(City, County, State):
Misc. Twps., Schuyler, IL Somehow I believe this must be our Isham Gwin II.  He's right next door (well, next county over from Brown) from two of his little sisters and brothers-in-law, the Houstons. Why we couldn't find Isham II in 1820, I don't know.  Perhaps it was because he and Mary were travelling.

Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1 If this is our family, they have one son under 5, so Betsy has to be his mother, since they've been married about six years.

Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1 If this is our family, they have one more son between 5 and 9, so Betsy COULD be his mother, but it is possible he could be the son of Mary Likens Gwin.  This would mean Betsy was his stepmom.

Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39: 1 If this IS our family, then this will be Isham II.
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1 If this is our family, they have one daughter under 5, so Betsy has to be her mother, since they've been married about six years.
Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1 If this is our family, this will be Betsy Snowden Gwin, who married him in 1824 after (it is assumed) Mary Likens Gwin died.
Free White Persons - Under 20: 3
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 5 If this is our family, Isham and Betsy have three children in 1830 and are living just northeast of the Houstons.
Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 5


Name: Isum Guin
[Isam Gwin] 
[Mary Guin
[Guin

John M. Gwin
Comments
Home in
1900:
Center,
Martin, IN
Martin Co. is west of and abutting Orange Co., making this Isam III's location very close to our Isham I's (who, I once thought, could be this Isam III's grandfather).  HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW.
Age: 73
DOB: Oct 1826 We know that Virginia Jane Gwin was just older than Isham II (the subject of this page) and was b. in TN in 1795.  We know that Richard W. Gwin was b. in TN in 1807 and was just younger than Isham II.  If Isham II were the father of this Isam (III?), then this 1826 DOB would have been just about perfect.  HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW.
POB: Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relat
 2HoH:
Head
FPOB:

MPOB:
VA

TN

OOPS. 
These are the only pieces of data (i.e., the places of birth of his parents) in this chart that do not coincide with Isham II being the father of this Isam.  IN FACT, they agree instead with the theory that this Isam is the same as the Isham G. Guinn listed above, whose parents, Moses and Hannah, were indeed born in Virginia and Tennessee, respectively, and are buried in Concord Cem., Tippecanoe Co., IN.



Mar. Stat.: Wd.
Res.: Center Twp. (All S. of White R.), Martin, IN
Household
Members:
Name Age
Isum Guin 73
Edward Guin 33
Lucy E Guin 20
Della M Guin 18
David Guin 14
When I first stumbled onto this 1900 census for an Isam Gwin and four of his kids, I knew this could not be Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin's son, Isham II, since he was born in TN, not IN, some 25 years before this Isam. However, it seemed VERY possible that this was Isham II's son, whom I here (erroneously) called Isham III.  SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY ABOVE.